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Old 02-14-2010, 06:01 AM
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Oh well, guess that ref needs to review his rulebook about deflating situations and staying away from confrontations. He probably has a small pecker, and can't handle it when someone doesn't respect his authority.

What worries me here is the kids see this behavior, and that makes the sport not fun. Wrestling especially at the kids level should be fun. Unless the kid is a tubby like me. He or she should not be wrestling under the weight that they weigh. No kids should cut weight until they are 14 yrs old anyhow. Weight cutting will stunt THEIR growth, and it makes the sport no fun. Let them have fun until highschool, and even then its better for them to wrestle a higher weight class. It makes them stronger and it makes them think of alternatives to situations rather than brute force. Finesse is typically the decider of two equally matched foes anyway. In highschool and college I usually didn't lose because I was physically weak. I lost because the other guy had better movement, was quicker or just plain technically better.

KIDS should learn and apply technique and holds. It breeds wrestling weakness to concentrate on body weight at that level.
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:06 AM
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I would agree with Dan, run from the cops get your a$$ kicked! But you (Dan) asked what you missed? The perp was tazed at 2:33 of the video. I have been tazed and there is not much fight left in you after it is over. When he went to the ground watch his legs they never move, not one bit. If I am guessing the coach is the one who threw the left hook. At that time of the video to other officers were in a struggle to take him to the ground. To me it looks like the left hook knocks the guy out. But I don't understand what this video has to do with what happens at a wrestling tournament.

I asked earlier and nobody wants to air what happened which is fine but it led to a lot of speculation. Which ref was it, who was the coach, what was said, who started it, and then some video of a police chase.

I did some research and all I can say is there is no reason to go all Serena Williams (at the US Open) on a ref. If threats were made then AAU Wrestling and the MSHSAA Officials has problem to address. I am sure if this did happen they will be.

This situation is an example of why high school refs should be used at little league tournaments and why little league coaches will never be taken seriously.

By the way before you all start calling me a criminal because I got tazed, I was not tazed to be subdued by the police. My taze was just a short burst to see what it feels like. At my place of employment we had a local officer give us a self defense class and at the end a bunch of us knuckle heads wanted to see what it was like. They just placed the probes on our shoes then hit the trigger. I do not recommend it!

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Old 02-15-2010, 09:55 AM
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I would agree with Dan, run from the cops get your a$$ kicked! But you (Dan) asked what you missed? The perp was tazed at 2:33 of the video. I have been tazed and there is not much fight left in you after it is over. When he went to the ground watch his legs they never move, not one bit. If I am guessing the coach is the one who threw the left hook. At that time of the video to other officers were in a struggle to take him to the ground. To me it looks like the left hook knocks the guy out. But I don't understand what this video has to do with what happens at a wrestling tournament.

I asked earlier and nobody wants to air what happened which is fine but it led to a lot of speculation. Which ref was it, who was the coach, what was said, who started it, and then some video of a police chase.

I did some research and all I can say is there is no reason to go all Serena Williams (at the US Open) on a ref. If threats were made then AAU Wrestling and the MSHSAA Officials has problem to address. I am sure if this did happen they will be.

This situation is an example of why high school refs should be used at little league tournaments and why little league coaches will never be taken seriously.

By the way before you all start calling me a criminal because I got tazed, I was not tazed to be subdued by the police. My taze was just a short burst to see what it feels like. At my place of employment we had a local officer give us a self defense class and at the end a bunch of us knuckle heads wanted to see what it was like. They just placed the probes on our shoes then hit the trigger. I do not recommend it!
TAS, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of little league coaches "never getting taken seriously." I have no idea how this thread went in this direction but that quote really caught my eye.

First, many little league coaches also are their "Big Club" coaches as well. Joe Weir, Mark Gentry, and Harold Ritchie come to mind just to name a few. These are outstanding coaches at ANY level and have earned every ounce of respect they have garnered.

Second, Missouri little league teams are packed with coaches who have never been a high school head coach but are more than qualified from a wrestling standpoint. Dan Seago (ABC), Rob Gion (Mid County), Frank Valleroy (Fox), and Kris Craig (Mid County), just to name a few, could run a high school program right now and be successful. There are several others but those names come to mind immediately.

Lastly, and on the flip side, being a high school coach doesn't automatically earn you respect. We have a few overrated high school coaches running around that couldn't run a large little league program on their best day! One of the respected high school coaches in town and I had this conversation recently. Being a successful high school wrestler doesn't mean you will make a good coach at any level. The gentleman who ran that program at Jeff City Helias for many years proved that. Coaching is more about being able to communicate than how much wrestling expertise you have. If you can do both than all the better but they are few and far between.

You can have all of the wrestling skill and knowledge in the world but if you can't "sell" it to your kids it becomes useless. Oh, and until you've been hit with the prongs attached to the wires, you haven't been officially tazed! Trust me, I've been on both ends of the Tazer in training and real life.

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Old 02-15-2010, 11:28 AM
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I did some research on this fool, hes a cop & on YouTube, I found out his name & where he works(which neither will be posted). Hes the officer that runs up to the prep. @ 2:39 he assaults him & @ 2:43 kicks him when hes down all after he put his HANDS UP!!, to surrender,but hes not the only one assaulting him when he surrendered. But I guess the prep. shouldn't have broken the law!!! I bet Steve Cross is proud of him, after all hes representing Fransis Howel Central.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-rST5Q3B8
Perhaps if this guy would've just watched this educational video by Chris Rock, he could've avoided this entire mess. (warning some language in this video might be offensive)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTBskrO9nV8
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:16 PM
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I agree with you Glad bag! Maybe they ought to have a video for refs also.
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